Comments on: We Got What We Wanted… http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:03:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: David Copeland http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1663 David Copeland Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:03:42 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1663 jeremiah, No way am I saying you have to speak in tongues to be saved; (you didn't say that, but I know that was the direction it was going) I realize everyone has different giftings...the Bible is very clear on that! But the pressure to compromise and tone down our message that includes the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is at an all time high. After years of studying the Bible (not just reading men's books) I have come to the opinion that the Bible clearly indicates in Acts the initial physical evidence of the Holy Spirit Baptism is to speak in tongues. We have gained a great measure of acceptance by the world that has accelerated the pressure on us to "tone it down" in order to retain our acceptance in the evangelical world. You DO NOT have to speak in tongues to go to heaven! You have to have Jesus as Lord of your life! <strong>What I am contending for</strong> is not just another argument over the validity of tongues and the other gifts; <strong>I am contending for (and I think you are too jeremiah) is the real power and the fruit of the Spirit to back up all our speaking in tongues!</strong> jeremiah,

No way am I saying you have to speak in tongues to be saved; (you didn’t say that, but I know that was the direction it was going) I realize everyone has different giftings…the Bible is very clear on that!

But the pressure to compromise and tone down our message that includes the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is at an all time high. After years of studying the Bible (not just reading men’s books) I have come to the opinion that the Bible clearly indicates in Acts the initial physical evidence of the Holy Spirit Baptism is to speak in tongues. We have gained a great measure of acceptance by the world that has accelerated the pressure on us to “tone it down” in order to retain our acceptance in the evangelical world.

You DO NOT have to speak in tongues to go to heaven! You have to have Jesus as Lord of your life!

What I am contending for is not just another argument over the validity of tongues and the other gifts; I am contending for (and I think you are too jeremiah) is the real power and the fruit of the Spirit to back up all our speaking in tongues!

]]> By: jeremiah http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1658 jeremiah Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:34:45 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1658 Well...I have mixed feelings...to some have been given laying on of hands, to others tongues...not all believers receive every gift! And what about the mute? Are they not fully in the Spirit? God gives different things to different people...some have gifts of mercy, others, prophecy, still others, teaching or evangelism....the absence of one aspect of God's outworking in the life of a believer does not invalidate their fatiH! Well…I have mixed feelings…to some have been given laying on of hands, to others tongues…not all believers receive every gift! And what about the mute? Are they not fully in the Spirit? God gives different things to different people…some have gifts of mercy, others, prophecy, still others, teaching or evangelism….the absence of one aspect of God’s outworking in the life of a believer does not invalidate their fatiH!

]]> By: Shane http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1626 Shane Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:18:52 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1626 Hold on while I SHOUT AMEN!!!!! We need to get back in the REAL presence of the Lord and come out like Jacob did, with a limp! It changed him! It changed his walk.. I believe that limp was CONVICTION.. I am convinced that if we stay in the outer and inner courts, we and ultimately our churches will never be changed... BUT there is a people out of a people that will press into an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ and we will leave there with our LIMP! GOD HELP US TO GET our LIMP BACK!!! Love ya man!!! You are truly a blessing to many including Chere' and I. Hold on while I SHOUT AMEN!!!!!
We need to get back in the REAL presence of the Lord and come out like Jacob did, with a limp! It changed him! It changed his walk.. I believe that limp was CONVICTION..
I am convinced that if we stay in the outer and inner courts, we and ultimately our churches will never be changed… BUT there is a people out of a people that will press into an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ and we will leave there with our LIMP!
GOD HELP US TO GET our LIMP BACK!!!
Love ya man!!! You are truly a blessing to many including Chere’ and I.

]]> By: Chet Swearingen http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1624 Chet Swearingen Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:06:39 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1624 David, Thanks for holding to your Pentecostal / Charismatic distinctives. All around us ministers are compromising for the sake of the cessasionists that have started attending their church. That is the strategy in church-growth now--make concessions for people of all doctrinal viewpoints. A "minimalist" doctrinal position is in vogue. David,
Thanks for holding to your Pentecostal / Charismatic distinctives. All around us ministers are compromising for the sake of the cessasionists that have started attending their church. That is the strategy in church-growth now–make concessions for people of all doctrinal viewpoints. A “minimalist” doctrinal position is in vogue.

]]> By: carl http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1623 carl Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:20:50 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1623 What a great title for a message! I could preach that all day. It really goes to hearts desire. I can hear the people now, "But all the other nations have a king!" Good stuff brother! What a great title for a message! I could preach that all day. It really goes to hearts desire. I can hear the people now, “But all the other nations have a king!”

Good stuff brother!

]]> By: slw http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1621 slw Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:32:07 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2007/09/11/we-got-what-we-wanted/#comment-1621 I hope we didn't want spiritless fellowships. If we did, our problem was not wanting what God wants. I hope we didn’t want spiritless fellowships. If we did, our problem was not wanting what God wants.

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