Comments on: Twelve Steps To Prominent Preacher Status http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:24:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Jenna Ryan http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2945 Jenna Ryan Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:04:53 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2945 This is negative and not "correcting in love." It's insulting and degrading. "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone." John 7: 53 - 8: 11 This is negative and not “correcting in love.” It’s insulting and degrading. “Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.” John 7: 53 - 8: 11

]]> By: JC Smith http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2671 JC Smith Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:08:39 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2671 Trads will hang you out to dry for that one for sure. But I agree. It can not BE our message but it can help us to make the eternal message relatable to this generation. Its a balance for sure but I see that this is where the church needs to go. To hold onto our roots while relating it to a generation that does not know God. Trads will hang you out to dry for that one for sure.
But I agree. It can not BE our message but it can help us to make the eternal message relatable to this generation.
Its a balance for sure but I see that this is where the church needs to go. To hold onto our roots while relating it to a generation that does not know God.

]]> By: David Copeland http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2670 David Copeland Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:51:30 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2670 Hey Eric, thanks for stopping by! haven't heard from you here in a while! I absolutely agree with you! We MUST seize every bit a technology from coffee houses to power points to reach this culture! But I have also held your church in Pascagoula up to others as a model of how you guys have used culture and been relevant without watering down the Word or quenching the move of the Spirit! Preach on bro! Hey Eric, thanks for stopping by! haven’t heard from you here in a while!

I absolutely agree with you! We MUST seize every bit a technology from coffee houses to power points to reach this culture! But I have also held your church in Pascagoula up to others as a model of how you guys have used culture and been relevant without watering down the Word or quenching the move of the Spirit!

Preach on bro!

]]> By: scotti http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2669 scotti Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:18:45 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2669 Sad, but true in this day. May the Lord pour out His Spirit and wake up the church! Sad, but true in this day. May the Lord pour out His Spirit and wake up the church!

]]> By: Eric http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2668 Eric Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:39:53 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2668 Ok, I will be the one everyone hates for this one. I believe that we have to focus much more on the Holy Spirit than programs, without a doubt. But, we also have to be compelling them to come in and reaching them where they are. Where are people today? What is our society like? We are a media driven culture that appeals through cutting edge technologies and such. Look at John the Baptist. He was a rebel, a renegade, an out of the ordinary guy. The problem I feel is that people in churches get so caught up with doing church that they miss God and they get so caught up in programs that they miss God and they dont reach people. I believe you have to have a balance. I believe you have to be creative in order to be compelling. Yes, The Holy Spirit will lead people in, but He also expects us to reach them where they are. At my church, we have alot of lighting and media for enhancement and creativity of our services. What I have learned is that people are being drawn to churches that are thriving to be cutting edge. The Word of God is never watered down at CLI, David can relate to that, he has ministerd many times for me. I just believe we have gotten so caught up in doing church and expecting people to just run into our doors without doing anything. We have to reach and compel and be creative in our approach. It is all about reaching them where they are. Media of the world is very creative and cutting edge, why not the church? Just my 2 cents, yall shoot me if you want to! Eric www.myspace.com/ericgcamp Ok, I will be the one everyone hates for this one. I believe that we have to focus much more on the Holy Spirit than programs, without a doubt. But, we also have to be compelling them to come in and reaching them where they are. Where are people today? What is our society like? We are a media driven culture that appeals through cutting edge technologies and such. Look at John the Baptist. He was a rebel, a renegade, an out of the ordinary guy. The problem I feel is that people in churches get so caught up with doing church that they miss God and they get so caught up in programs that they miss God and they dont reach people.

I believe you have to have a balance. I believe you have to be creative in order to be compelling. Yes, The Holy Spirit will lead people in, but He also expects us to reach them where they are.

At my church, we have alot of lighting and media for enhancement and creativity of our services. What I have learned is that people are being drawn to churches that are thriving to be cutting edge.

The Word of God is never watered down at CLI, David can relate to that, he has ministerd many times for me. I just believe we have gotten so caught up in doing church and expecting people to just run into our doors without doing anything. We have to reach and compel and be creative in our approach. It is all about reaching them where they are. Media of the world is very creative and cutting edge, why not the church?

Just my 2 cents, yall shoot me if you want to!

Eric
http://www.myspace.com/ericgcamp

]]> By: Br Joey http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2662 Br Joey Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:57:09 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2662 DAVID, I THOUGHT I HAD A SHOT TILL YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HAIR (LOL) THE HOUR IN WHICH IS A SAD TIME- BUT THE FALSE IS GOING TO PLAY OUT. BECAUSE "THE TRUTH IS WHAT SETS US FREE". I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO SEE A REVIVAL OF THE REAL WORD OF GOD COMING FORTH. GOD IS GOING TO GIVE US WHAT WE NEED AND NOT WHAT WE WANT! THEY ARE SOME HUNGRY FOR A PIECE OF MEAT AND WILL NOT SETTLE FOR MILK ANY LONGER! GOD WILL BE GOD TO THIS LAST GENERATION YET-CAUSE IT ANI'T OVER JUST YET-AMEN DAVID, I THOUGHT I HAD A SHOT TILL YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HAIR (LOL) THE HOUR IN WHICH IS A SAD TIME- BUT THE FALSE IS GOING TO PLAY OUT. BECAUSE “THE TRUTH IS WHAT SETS US FREE”. I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO SEE A REVIVAL OF THE REAL WORD OF GOD COMING FORTH. GOD IS GOING TO GIVE US WHAT WE NEED AND NOT WHAT WE WANT! THEY ARE SOME HUNGRY FOR A PIECE OF MEAT AND WILL NOT SETTLE FOR MILK ANY LONGER! GOD WILL BE GOD TO THIS LAST GENERATION YET-CAUSE IT ANI’T OVER JUST YET-AMEN

]]> By: Igy http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2661 Igy Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:12:32 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2661 The Bible is true.. 2Ti 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2Ti 3:2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 2Ti 3:3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 2Ti 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. "Having a form of godliness but denying its power." -- This is where were at!! I do a lot of Jail ministry and I really do see a lot of hunger from guys in the jail. There really is a deep desire to go after God. But there are so few workers who want to come minister to these souls.. very sad! ... I guess there is no fame or popularity in a jail cell..no camera's ..you cant pass the offering plate...so these people are ignored. Just another sign of the times. -igy The Bible is true..
2Ti 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2Ti 3:2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God–
2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

“Having a form of godliness but denying its power.” — This is where were at!!

I do a lot of Jail ministry and I really do see a lot of hunger from guys in the jail. There really is a deep desire to go after God. But there are so few workers who want to come minister to these souls.. very sad! … I guess there is no fame or popularity in a jail cell..no camera’s ..you cant pass the offering plate…so these people are ignored. Just another sign of the times. -igy

]]> By: David Copeland http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2658 David Copeland Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:50:08 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2658 I agree JC. That's what drives me to my knees...I sincerely want to carry the genuine anointing that will cause people to want to come back...but has the church become so lukewarm they will only tolerate a portion of the anointing...and has the sinner in the pig pen heard it so much they don't even want to attempt it anymore? I agree JC. That’s what drives me to my knees…I sincerely want to carry the genuine anointing that will cause people to want to come back…but has the church become so lukewarm they will only tolerate a portion of the anointing…and has the sinner in the pig pen heard it so much they don’t even want to attempt it anymore?

]]> By: JC Smith http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2656 JC Smith Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:25:12 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2656 It has to do with being convenient, you bet. But it also has to do with what people see when they get there. We have a real lack of power in the church now and it shows. We have Evangelists who are not Evangelists- they are itinerant preachers peddling the 'present truth'. But they only reach the lost in the house- not the prodigal in the pig pen. Where are the real healing Evangelists? Where are the giants of God calling the lukewarm back to the fold and the sinner to repentance? I think church would quickly climb up people's list of priorities if they actually had something to come and see and hear, other than hype. It has to do with being convenient, you bet. But it also has to do with what people see when they get there.
We have a real lack of power in the church now and it shows. We have Evangelists who are not Evangelists- they are itinerant preachers peddling the ‘present truth’. But they only reach the lost in the house- not the prodigal in the pig pen.
Where are the real healing Evangelists? Where are the giants of God calling the lukewarm back to the fold and the sinner to repentance?
I think church would quickly climb up people’s list of priorities if they actually had something to come and see and hear, other than hype.

]]> By: Rev. Josh http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2653 Rev. Josh Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:22:57 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2653 We have to look at the old time preachers. They put tents up in a field adn they had a packed house for nights on end. Now people have to put atricles in newspapers weeks prior. Put adds on the radio weeks prior. To have maybe one full night of service. This is becuase it's not convenient enough for people to come. And people wonder why there church is dead. There's a want for Christ to move, but no motivation to do it themselves. It always has to be the other guy. We have to look at the old time preachers. They put tents up in a field adn they had a packed house for nights on end. Now people have to put atricles in newspapers weeks prior. Put adds on the radio weeks prior. To have maybe one full night of service. This is becuase it’s not convenient enough for people to come. And people wonder why there church is dead. There’s a want for Christ to move, but no motivation to do it themselves. It always has to be the other guy.

]]> By: Larry http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2649 Larry Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:24:18 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2649 “Have people become so entertainment driven that the preaching of the Gospel has become nothing more than another form of entertainment? I think people are hungry for truth. I think people are in great need of the gospel being preached with with signs following. Just look around at the spiritual condition of the church and you can see that the need is great. So the challenge is to preach the truth. Preach the Word and the signs will follow and people's real needs will be met. “Have people become so entertainment driven that the preaching of the Gospel has become nothing more than another form of entertainment?

I think people are hungry for truth. I think people are in great need of the gospel being preached with with signs following. Just look around at the spiritual condition of the church and you can see that the need is great. So the challenge is to preach the truth. Preach the Word and the signs will follow and people’s real needs will be met.

]]> By: JC Smith http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2645 JC Smith Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:37:14 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2645 Yeah, that's a good view. But if you take a look at the panorama of American churches, you can see that it is not the rule, it is the exception to it. Ego is a subtle thing. Many times in my ministry I have seen my ego and self esteem get tied up in my success as a preacher. Now, I will repent- even cancel all speaking dates until I am square. But how many are not? We don't tell the truth many times for fear of rejection. Do we also try to give exciting sermons for the same reason? I think so. Yeah, that’s a good view. But if you take a look at the panorama of American churches, you can see that it is not the rule, it is the exception to it.
Ego is a subtle thing. Many times in my ministry I have seen my ego and self esteem get tied up in my success as a preacher.
Now, I will repent- even cancel all speaking dates until I am square. But how many are not?
We don’t tell the truth many times for fear of rejection. Do we also try to give exciting sermons for the same reason?
I think so.

]]> By: David Copeland http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2644 David Copeland Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:23:34 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2644 Josh, They build us up when we are weak...and they tear us down when we get full of pride:) Josh, They build us up when we are weak…and they tear us down when we get full of pride:)

]]> By: Rev. Josh http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2643 Rev. Josh Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:16:36 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2643 I will agree with you on that one David. Aren't wives so great. They show us how to stay on track. Build us up where we are weak. Be blessed in everything you do. RJ I will agree with you on that one David. Aren’t wives so great. They show us how to stay on track. Build us up where we are weak. Be blessed in everything you do. RJ

]]> By: David Copeland http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2642 David Copeland Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:57:03 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2642 I have this problem: God doesn't seem to be interested in stroking my ego! Furthermore, I have a wife that is determined that me ego me crushed and not stroked!!!! The Holy Ghost doesn't have much work to do on me...I'm married to Pam. I have this problem: God doesn’t seem to be interested in stroking my ego!

Furthermore, I have a wife that is determined that me ego me crushed and not stroked!!!!

The Holy Ghost doesn’t have much work to do on me…I’m married to Pam.

]]> By: JC Smith http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2641 JC Smith Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:51:10 +0000 http://www.revivaljournal.com/2008/01/21/twelve-steps-to-prominent-preacher-status/#comment-2641 Afraid so. Give us entertainment, make me a star are the two sides of American ministry. It is a rock star- groupie culture that will be very hard to break, David- it feeds ego too much. Love you, bro. J. Afraid so. Give us entertainment, make me a star are the two sides of American ministry.
It is a rock star- groupie culture that will be very hard to break, David- it feeds ego too much.
Love you, bro.
J.

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